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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-29-2015, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
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Honda Hybrids Have an Image Problem and it's Marketings Fault



Honda is experiencing something new, growing pains. It's well known that the NSX has been delayed and delayed and delayed yet again and it mirrors another high profile project going wrong for Big Red.

When it was announced last year that Honda would be re-joining forces with McLaren many dreamed up powerful parallels between 2015 and the long gone glory days of McLaren-Honda with a certain Ayrton Senna at the controls. It hasn't turned out that way.

The Honda suffers from a lack of power, both from the V6 Turbo as well as a finicky battery pack. Adding to their woes McLaren has built a dog of a chassis and the software is a mess.

Honda has spent all their Formula 1 engine development tokens in hopes of at least matching the Renault power unit, promises have been made and promises have been broken (sound familiar?), and despite all the sound and fury from the factory both Jensen Button and Fernando Alonso found themselves helpless at Suzuka over the weekend.

So much so that Alonso had an extremely public outburst over team radio mid-race after getting passed in succession by the Toro Rosso's and Saubers. Alonso complained the lack of pace from the V6-Hybrid was embarrassing and then later went on to call their engine "GP2" spec. Ouch, especially with Honda CEO Hachigo-san present at Hondas home track.


It is an interesting parallel, the NSX was never going to be a hybrid until Honda announced their partnership with McLaren back in 2013. The Honda engine would always be at a disadvantage being a year late in development and testing vs the other power units in the field.

A strange place for Honda, they're scrambling to develop technologies and struggling to meet self imposed deadlines. Honda is no longer leading with their own vision, but reacting. Unfortunately it seems the new Honda ethos is marketing in motion...
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-30-2015, 10:25 AM
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I thought the recent delay was to replace the engine to make the NSX more competitive. Would that not reduce it's disadvantage when compared to the other hybrids out there?
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It's hard to say until we see what the new engine is capable of. I would assume that a upgrade to the engine would reduce the disadvantage, but they may always be a little bit behind.
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post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-08-2015, 02:47 PM
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Actually the F1 angle is an intersting one. Honda is touting that the F1 part of the business is participating in developing the baby NSX. Now I'm sitting here and saying to myself why would thwey help on the little one and not on the big one... Because they are helping on the NSX... problem is not even the F1 car is working properly...I wouldn't be surprised if the software issues they're having on track are also giving them fits during product planning...

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Ohhhh, was that the McLaren and Honda partnership that ended up with a frustrated F1 driver? Honda's not the best with hybrid engines.
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post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-09-2015, 10:18 AM
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An upgrade to the engine, depending on what exactly is accomplished should also mean changes to just about everything else that is impacted by power, all for a well rounded vehicle that complements the increased power.



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An upgrade to the engine, depending on what exactly is accomplished should also mean changes to just about everything else that is impacted by power, all for a well rounded vehicle that complements the increased power.
its a huge change to go from NA V6 to TT V6 Hybrid. the whole car had to be scrapped...
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What's the difference between a NA V6 and TT V6 engine?
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its a huge change to go from NA V6 to TT V6 Hybrid. the whole car had to be scrapped...
Yeah that's what it comes down to, throughout the industry I think that's what happens, those upgrades shoot it into a class above.

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What's the difference between a NA V6 and TT V6 engine?
NA = Naturally Aspirated = All engine, no forced induction (turbo, supercharger). TT = twin turbo.



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post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-15-2015, 08:58 AM
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Still had to read up a bit on the Na engine but apparently it's being scrapped for TT because of economic and emission reasons.
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